zack wrote:
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Salaam brother Ahmed,
Hope all is well with you. I wrote this article myself based on my experience. I hope this sub-forum is the right place to add stuff like this. Feel free to make any changes.
May Allah guide us always closer to the truth.
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zack wrote:
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Who has got the ?????????????????????¢??Holy Spirit?????????????????????¢???????????????????????
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zack wrote:
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There are several people who call themselves ?????????????????????¢??born again Christians?????????????????????¢??????????????????????
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zack wrote:
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and believe that they have the Holy Spirit with them for their guidance.
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zack wrote:
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These people are very stubborn with regard to their beliefs and clam that they are the only people on the right path.
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zack wrote:
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Several years ago, a woman was arrested by the police for chopping her 4 months baby into pieces. When the cops questioned her, she said she only did what God wanted her to do.
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zack wrote:
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Her belief was that God (The Holy Spirit) was speaking to her.
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zack wrote:
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She was of course sent to rehabilitation center for ?????????????????????¢??treatment?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? because the court Judge thought she was insane.
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zack wrote:
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A couple weeks ago, I met a Christian missionary (a protestant) of the same ?????????????????????¢??born again?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? category. He started explaining me what Trinity is
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and asked me to accept his belief.
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zack wrote:
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When I asked him few questions that shattered his belief, he said he can?????????????????????¢??t be wrong because he is guided by the ?????????????????????¢??Holy Spirit?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.
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Hahahaha
That is the case with many confused Muslims too, they think that they are guided by Allah, let?????????????????????¢??s look at the following verse:
فريقا هدي وفريقا حق عليهم الضلالة انهم اتخذوا الشياطين اولياء من دون الله ويحسبون انهم مهتدون
A party (whom) He has guided and a party upon whom the misguidance was just; indeed, they took the devils for guardians other than Allah, and they think that they are guided.
[Al Quran ; 7:30]
-> See: indeed, they took the devils for guardians other than Allah, and they think that they are guided , how clear
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The other day, I happened to meet another Christian missionary (a Jehovah?????????????????????¢??s Witness), again of the same category. He too has got the same ?????????????????????¢??Holy Spirit?????????????????????¢??????????????????????
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zack wrote:
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but his belief was completely different than that of the Protestant Christian I met. This guy didn?????????????????????¢??t believe in Trinity and considers Jesus as an apostle of God.
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Yep, all J W will tell you so, I debated many of them face to face, in one incident they two ladies failed with me bad that they had to bring an old man the following day, whom I slam dunked with ease and never seen their faces again.
I think those cult followers are a bit smart, they were Christians who could not buy the crap that Jesus is god, so they created they own sect that is based on the religion of Christianity but while Jesus is an apostle of god. I believe they still believe that Jesus as an apostle died for our sins (not sure about that)
I found them stupid indeed, because the Quran said about Jesus what they came to conclude concerning his divinity status, yet they are arrogant not to submit to the truth as stated in the Quran 1400 years ago. See how the Quran said exactly what J W believe about Jesus:
ما المسيح ابن مريم الا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل وامه صديقة كانا ياكلان الطعام انظر كيف نبين لهم الايات ثم انظر اني يؤفكون
The Messiah son of Marium is not except a messenger, indeed, the messengers before him have passed away; and his mother was a truthful woman; they both used to eat the food. See how We explain to them the signs then see how they are deluded.
[Al Quran ; 5:75]
-> See: The Messiah son of Marium is not except a messenger
Not strangely, this is also what the Bible say, let?????????????????????¢??s have a look:
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
(Mark ; 10:18)
And:
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
(John ; 17:3)
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Now, how do we know who is right?
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zack wrote:
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I ask this question to both the gentlemen, but got no convincing answer.
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zack wrote:
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So I decided to figure it out myself. Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible how to find out a true believer. Let me quote that from the Bible:
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These signs will accompany those who have believed:
1. In My name they will cast out demons.
2. They will speak with new tongues.
3. They will pick up serpent.
4. And if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them.
5. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover. [Mark 16:17-18]
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I haven't yet come across a single born again Christian who passed the above tests.
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zack wrote:
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So it's only logical to believe that those who claim to have "Holy Spirit" with them are most likely either insane or liars.
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zack wrote:
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Who has got the ?????????????????????¢??Holy Spirit?????????????????????¢???????????????????????
There are several people who call themselves ?????????????????????¢??born again Christians?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? and believe that they have the Holy Spirit with them for their guidance. These people are very stubborn with regard to their beliefs and clam that they are the only people on the right path. Several years ago, a woman was arrested by the police for chopping her 4 months baby into pieces. When the cops questioned her, she said she only did what God wanted her to do. Her belief was that God (The Holy Spirit) was speaking to her. She was of course sent to rehabilitation center for ?????????????????????¢??treatment?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? because the court Judge thought she was insane.
A couple weeks ago, I met a Christian missionary (a protestant) of the same ?????????????????????¢??born again?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? category. He started explaining me what Trinity is and asked me to accept his belief. When I asked him few questions that shattered his belief, he said he can?????????????????????¢??t be wrong because he is guided by the ?????????????????????¢??Holy Spirit?????????????????????¢??????????????????????.
The other day, I happened to meet another Christian missionary (a Jehovah?????????????????????¢??s Witness), again of the same category. He too has got the same ?????????????????????¢??Holy Spirit?????????????????????¢?????????????????????? but his belief was completely different than that of the Protestant Christian I met. This guy didn?????????????????????¢??t believe in Trinity and considers Jesus as an apostle of God.
Now, how do we know who is right? I ask this question to both the gentlemen, but got no convincing answer. So I decided to figure it out myself. Jesus is reported to have said in the Bible how to find out a true believer. Let me quote that from the Bible:
These signs will accompany those who have believed:
1. In My name they will cast out demons.
2. They will speak with new tongues.
3. They will pick up serpent.
4. And if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them.
5. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover. [Mark 16:17-18]
I haven't yet come across a single born again Christian who passed the above tests. So it's only logical to believe that those who claim to have "Holy Spirit" with them are most likely either insane or liars.
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AhmedBahgat wrote:
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I believe they still believe that Jesus as an apostle died for our sins (not sure about that)
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zack wrote:
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Peace be with you all,
Brother Ahmed,
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zack wrote:
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I met one such Protestant Christian on a website. I asked him to come here on this forum(in this particular thread) to discuss about his "holy spirit". I sent him a link to this thread and this is what he said:
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zack wrote:
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zack,
You are correct that to confirm whether the Holy Spirit does produce the right kind of fruit takes time.
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zack wrote:
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This is why the Qur'an tells you to avoid having Christians as friends or protectors.
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zack wrote:
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The author of the Qur'an does not want you to see the power of the holy Spirit.
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zack wrote:
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As for moving our discussion, you can't order the Holy Spirit around or "dare" Him into doing something.
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zack wrote:
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If I go over there, it would be without the Holy Spirit,
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zack wrote:
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and so I would not be strong enough on my own.
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zack wrote:
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He has told me to come here, and so here I am. If He tells me to go there, there I will go.[/color]
i.e., he will never come because there is not such thing called holy spirit, only in his Barbie world, it exists
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Brother, I encouraged him several times to visit this website when he started talking about "contradictions in the Quran" but he never did.
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Of course he won't, we don't need him anyway, he needs us and needs to u understand the true guidance in the Quran and in his Bible
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Another Muslim brother's reply
Robert define me what "anna tawhid" mean to you then I will give you the answer because what you say doesn't make any sense in Arabic and I already know that you are no expert or even close to the knowledge of Arabic.
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Salam mate
There is no such thing in Arabic called Ana Tawhid, rather, Ana Wahid, i.e. I am one
Take care
- Tue 20 Apr, 2010 5:47 am
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zack's reply
Robert,
"Anna Tawhid" which means "I am oneness" is a grammatical blunder. Only a dumb book written by people like you will have such a phrase. It's a shame that you lack common sense, Robert.
Here are some examples to help you understand -
Robert is a fool - Correct grammatically and literally.
Robert is foolishness - Incorrect grammatically.
Robert is a stupid - Correct grammatically and literally.
Robert is stupidity - Incorrect grammatically.
Robert is dumb - Correct grammatically and literally.
Robert is dumbness - Incorrect grammatically.
Robert is insane - Correct grammatically and literally.
Robert is insanity - Incorrect grammatically.
Here is an unequivocal statement that proves the oneness of Allah.
Say, 'He is Allah, the One and only' [112:1]
Isn't this verse sufficient enough? Is it not unequivocal?
Robert, you said "I am God" is grammatical mistake and so Jesus never said that. There is no limit to your foolishness. How about the following verses in the Bible that contain this phrase?
And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins [Genesis 35:11]
And he said, I am God, the God of thy father: fear not to go down into Egypt; for I will there make of thee a great nation [Genesis 46:3]
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth. [Psalm 46:10]
Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.[Psalm 50:7]
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God. [Isaiah 43:12]
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. [Isaiah 45:22]
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me [Isaiah 46:9]
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city. [Hosea 11:9]
Now what do you say about Bible? If I were to believe you(that "I am God" is a grammatical mistake), I would go out and throw my KJV of the Bible in the garbage. But I won't because am not as dumb and as arrogant as you are.
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