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AhmedBahgat wrote: |
And it will be posted on www.faithfreedom.org site http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1373 , an anti Islam web site that uses the hadith spewed by the Muslims like you to attack Allah, the prophet, Islam, the Muslims and the Quran. Just to show them that the time of the people like you is near inshaallah
My reply will also be posted on my notes on facebook and is public for all to read http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&&suggest¬e_id=55833528086 I honestly believe that I proved my case regarding my allegation that you and the likes of you including many of the dearest of my family members, are Mushrikoon, however if you really think that I am a Kafir, do not be shy of telling me, I won?????????????????????¢??t be offended, please present your case but you need to use the Quran ONLY against me, as I used the Hadith against you. Any hadith that you will bring to prove your allegation regarding the hadith will be dismissed until you reply to all the a hadith I presented, you also need to reply to every Quran verse that I presented as I replied to every Quran verse you presented One thing I might have to say, sorry for my aggression, but again, I consider myself in a war and I am fighting the most dangerous enemy ever, the enemy within Salam and may Allah guidance be upon those who deserve to be guided |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
And it will be posted on www.faithfreedom.org site http://www.forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1373 , an anti Islam web site that uses the hadith spewed by the Muslims like you to attack Allah, the prophet, Islam, the Muslims and the Quran. Just to show them that the time of the people like you is near inshaallah
My reply will also be posted on my notes on facebook and is public for all to read http://www.facebook.com/note.php?created&&suggest¬e_id=55833528086 I honestly believe that I proved my case regarding my allegation that you and the likes of you including many of the dearest of my family members, are Mushrikoon, however if you really think that I am a Kafir, do not be shy of telling me, I won?????????????????????¢??t be offended, please present your case but you need to use the Quran ONLY against me, as I used the Hadith against you. Any hadith that you will bring to prove your allegation regarding the hadith will be dismissed until you reply to all the a hadith I presented, you also need to reply to every Quran verse that I presented as I replied to every Quran verse you presented One thing I might have to say, sorry for my aggression, but again, I consider myself in a war and I am fighting the most dangerous enemy ever, the enemy within Salam and may Allah guidance be upon those who deserve to be guided |
parvez_mushtaq wrote: | ||
salam there is a famous saying in urdu baail ka samna kutba meaning is "a holy sermon in front of a buffalo why is am saying this is i quickly scanned 7,8 pages of ff in the thread started by you they simply mocked your postings i think this is to be expected there i think you have given a correct thing to wrong people it is like looking for a black goat in a dark night which is not there if i were you , then i straight a way challenged Shiekh Salim Al-Amry in his paltalk session in http://www.ibraheemscreed.net/index.php or posted in http://forums.alkauthar.org/showthread.php?t=1967 and challenged yasir qadhi but the problem is i don't have the amazing knowledge as you have lol dear ahmed , we need people like you to debate with Muslim scholars pl don't waste yourself with regards Mushtaq |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Salam brother Pervez
I had a quick look at this forum: http://forums.alkauthar.org/index.php do you think that they are open or close minded Muslims? I have a feeling that they are the second and in that case I believe that any comment that I will post will be deleted and even I may gt banned what is your advise? Cheers |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Salam again brother Perfez
I had a look at the first link and could not find any forums nor any place to join, however I left this feedback message for them: Salam brothers and sisters I appluade your cause of uniting the Muslims back after hundreds of years of division, conflicts and confusion, however with my respect, I do not think that you are doing a good job, this is obvious from your tendency to talk hadith more than talking Quran. For the sake of the Ummah, I challnege Shieks Al Amry on a live debate any where you wish, in that debate inshaalalh I will prove to all (Muslims, Mushrik and Kafirs) that these books of hadith should have never been written. Here is a sample of how I will refute those self made shiekhs : http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=738 http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=815 http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=556 http://www.free-islam.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=817 My name is Ahmed and my email address is ahmed@free-islam.com I will appreciate your prompted reply Salam and may Allah guidance be granted to those who deserve it |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Salam brother Pervez
I had a quick look at this forum: http://forums.alkauthar.org/index.php do you think that they are open or close minded Muslims? I have a feeling that they are the second and in that case I believe that any comment that I will post will be deleted and even I may gt banned what is your advise? Cheers |
Truthsayer wrote: |
Surah Al-A'r????????????????????????????¢f, Verse 158:
Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all (the messenger of) Him unto whom belongeth the SOVEReignty of the heavens and the earth. There is no God save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death. So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write, who believeth in Allah and in His words and follow him that haply ye may be led aright. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
So please tell me, where, other than the hadith collections that you so passionately oppose, the example of The Prophet (saw) is recorded? |
Truthsayer wrote: |
So you see, when you reject all hadith, you reject The Prophet, the Qur'an and Allah. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
Another glarring inconsistency in your argument is that the hadith was reported by the sahaba. If they had been banned by The Prophet (saw) from doing that, why would they? Or are you like the rafidi sect who hates the sahabah? |
Truthsayer wrote: |
The Qur'an was also compiled by them, |
Truthsayer wrote: |
and it was passed on in much the same way as many of the hadith. So you're simply unable make any coherent argument about rejecting all hadith but accepting the Qur'an as the preserved word of Allah. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Well, he did not do one mistake, nor two, neither three, rather zillions, and not only that, he also contradicted the Quran, defamed Muhammed, defamed many prophets in addition to defaming Allah
Such non sense of crap book has no place but the rubbish bin Can?????????????????????¢??t you see what how it divided your Ummah? |
Truthsayer wrote: |
Which authentic hadith from Bukhari contradicts the Qur'an? |
Truthsayer wrote: |
Didn't you know for a hadith to be authentic, it can't contradict the Qur'an? |
Truthsayer wrote: |
And they do not defame Muhammad. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
What you people do is take things out of context, |
Truthsayer wrote: |
then apply your moral relativism to it. Just like Ali sina and his likes do. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
And it's disgusting. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
A complete read of Bukhari's collection, |
Truthsayer wrote: |
and the other, gives the impression of Muhammad (saw) as an extremely kind, moral, loving and forgiving person and it testifies to the undeniable truth of his prophethood. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
And no, it is not the hadith that causes division in the ummah. It is the misguided sects such as the wahabi, the rafidi and you, the hadith rejector. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
Ishaq Ibn Isa told me that Abdul Rahman Ibn Zaid knew from his father who knew it from Ataa Ibn Yassar that Abu Hurairah said:
We were sitting down writing what we hear from the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa sallam, he came to us and said: What is that which you are writing. We said: it is what we hear from you, then he said: Another book with the Book of Allah?, we said: it is what we hear, he said: Write down the book of Allah, uphold the Book of Allah, what! Another book but the book of Allah?. Uphold the Book of Allah, Abu Hurairah said: So we collected what we wrote ALL TOGETHER and burnt it with fire, then we said: O Rasool Allah, can we talk about you?, he said: Yes you can talk about me and there should be no blame on you, and whoever lies about me deliberately, then his seat in hell will be secured. Then we said: Can we talk about the children of Israel?, He said: Yes you can talk about the children of Israel and there should be no blame on you, and whatever you say about them but there is more to wonder about them The above hadith is clear that THERE SHOULD BE NO BOOK NEXT TO ALLAH BOOK, see how the prophet said it: Write down the book of Allah, uphold the Book of Allah. What! Another book but the book of Allah?. Uphold the Book of Allah |
Truthsayer wrote: |
Still nothing from the Qur'an, the only thing you accept? |
Truthsayer wrote: |
It's a weak hadith, |
Truthsayer wrote: |
and it could just as well mean they shouldn't be mixing his sayings up with the Qur'an. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
What if people found it later, and thought it was a missing verse from the quran? And If all we had were rumors about him, how do you think those would sound now, 1400 years later? Certainly nothing close to the truth. People who actually know what Muhammad has said, either first or second hand, were dissapearing. That is why people started writing it down, even though that had been done long earlier than Bukhari, he mainly just valued their authenticity. It's the same thing that happended with the Qur'an. People who had memorized and heard The Prophet (saw) reciting it were dying, so it was written down and compiled. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
1) you proved your ignorance to the man made books of hadith that you uphold next to the Quran |
Truthsayer wrote: |
I do not uphold anything next to Qur'an, |
Truthsayer wrote: |
but somethings are simply not in it! And I'm ignorant because I apparently didn't know about a few superficial errors in the books? That makes no sense |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
2) you are another proof that most of the Muslims are indeed like most of the Jews and the Christians, they all submitted to Satan and corrupted their religion, SATAN?????????????????????¢??????????????????????S MAIN AND ONLY OBJECTIVE |
Truthsayer wrote: |
That is one of the reasons why ulema from all over the world has made blanket takfir on you and the rest of your sect. |
Truthsayer wrote: |
Lets have a look at Muhammad's farewell sermon, one heard by hundreds, maybe thousands. This is in pretty much all hadith collections, with many diferent chains of narrations. There might be different versions of part of it, but this is the same in all: |
Truthsayer wrote: |
"Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things."
So, you see, Satan could not lead all Muslims, except you and your sect, into shirk as you're claiming. |
AhmedBahgat wrote: |
And I can assure you that if any Muslim in here who dares to go the length with me debating such issue of man made hadith, then I will be the one to hammer and last |
Truthsayer wrote: |
I'll be looking forward to it. |
islamtarik wrote: |
Qur'an is the first source for all muslims if we can't find something in Qur'an then we should try to find it in
Hadith and it's important to seek only SAHEEH hadith from the Bukhari&MUslim and other Saheed collections of Hadith. I have found great collections of Hadith at islam trend social network. |
islamtarik wrote: |
Qur'an is perfect book, it is the Word Allah s.w.t. and you didn't understand my answer. |
islamtarik wrote: |
I have said if we don't have answer on some questions then we should try to seek in Hadith. |
islamtarik wrote: |
For example Allah s.w.t said We eqimuu salah - you must pray sallah but there is no where in Qur'an
how to pray. In qur'an there is no anykind of description of performing salah. |
islamtarik wrote: |
It doesn't mean that Qur'an is not perfect book, it means what Allah s.w.t. said in Quran that we must obey
to Allah and his Messanger Muhammada s.a.w.s. |
islamtarik wrote: |
And our Messanger s.a.w.s. has teached us how to pray salah and many other things which are recorded in hadith colections like Bukhar & Muslim. |
islamtarik wrote: |
And also there is also one of the most popular Hadith from our Messanger where he said that we must strong hold 2 things Qur'an and Sunnah. |
islamtarik wrote: |
First source of Islam is Qur'an, second Source is Hadith- Sunnah |
islamtarik wrote: |
And those two things are like one, and they are light for every muslim on the planet. |